Curse

snikerz · Apr 20, 2010, 11:01 AM // 11:01

DO NOT MENTION THE NAMES OF ANY BOTS. If you feel you have names or links that need to be shared, feel free to PM Regina, Martin, Emily, or Stephane.

Hi all,

For the past week I've been noticing Mo/W bots in RA, no I'm not talking about the rupt bots that are rampant today, i'm talking about fully unmanned Mo/W bots that act much like hero/henchmen. I believe I posted here 2-3 years ago about bots in RA which ANet did nothing about; because of the level of sophistication they have, it would make it pretty tough for ANet to pick up consistencies on the server log.

A 1 second search on google revealed its creator and the capabilities of this particular bot, heres a copy'n'paste of what it does.

Heals self and party members
Cures self and party members
Removes hex from self and party members
Energy management
Checks for Dishonorable effect
Checks for melee impact
Checks for death
Checks for Daze,Shame,Backfire,Empathy,Diversion on self
Dodges Broad Head Arrow and Lightning Orb
Avoids knockdowns
Great movement
Attacks nearest enemy
Resigns if 2 or more party members are monks (not if you won the last round)
Gets Z-Keys every 5000 balth points
Counts win + lose + Z-Keys

Now I've seen this in action and I can say with certainty, It does all that and more, its very hard to detect the movement patterns, It seems to have the ability to stay with the group without direct confrontation of the team, as you would when you click someones name and hit spacebar. it can space itself out evenly if the group is wide apart, making it near impossible to detect, the only way I could tell was, since I was a Necro at the time, It would have instantaneous reactions to heal me when I would sacrifice health at the start of the match before the gates opened.
Whats even more frightening is the fact this bot took our group to 25 wins without even breaking a sweat, it appears it can't pre-viel or pre-guardian, so those are other tell signs to watch out for.

To Anet staff, please reply here if you recognize and are aware of the problem, and I and the rest of the honest community hope you have a plan to eradicate these pests.

Killed u man · Apr 20, 2010, 11:26 AM // 11:26

This is only RA. I know these bots exist, and are getting used, in top GvG. We're talking about pretty much every routine a regular player does, bots will do to, and more.

Stop kiting bots for when Bull's is getting used on you. Cancelbots for when diversion and shame is about to be cast on you. Even cancel interrupt bots, which will cancel your spells if an interrupt is used on you. (Though relies on <80 ping orso)

Weaponswap bots, kite bots, prot bots (Pretty much the same way Me/Rt's worked in HA, they can land a spirit bond against an rspike from the time between the arrows being activated to impact) and infuse bots.

The list truly is endless, and on they are so easy accesable aswell.

But ye, Anet COULD fix the problem, or even do a mass ban on the people currently using the public bots (which will be what, 95% of the botters?), but they wont...

Sankt Hallvard · Apr 20, 2010, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I hope Anet has the gift of foresight and ability to make good judgement. AI is the future and it would be a shame if they punished evolution by banning these wonderful inventions.

To err is human, humans have poor reflexes, make bad calls, are influenced by mood shifts and make irrational choices. With AI all these issues are resolved. It would make for a much more smooth and enjoyable experience for all the players if more of the environment was scripted. Human interaction is overrated.

I would love to have a healbot, a ruptbot and meleebot on my team in RA. Not having to put up with the frikkin fail players that usually end up on my team would be nothing but a blessing. In fact I would happily let a script play my character as well. After a day's work I could assess the results and rewards, things AI might not yet be optimal at doing. I'm talking about putting on new titles to pride myself with, open the zchest for fat loot and progress in the awesome title, selling zkeys to noobs, buy tormented weapons and obsidian armor, visit the zaishen menagerie, buy some costume packs, collect awesome minipets and hang out in my cool Hall of Monument.

tl;dr - Please Anet, leave them bots alone!

papryk · Apr 20, 2010, 12:02 PM // 12:02

I was always wondering why oh why Regina and company never reply in threads like this...

Yol · Apr 20, 2010, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

I hope Anet has the gift of foresight and ability to make good judgement. AI is the future and it would be a shame if they punished evolution by banning these wonderful inventions.

To err is human, humans have poor reflexes, make bad calls, are influenced by mood shifts and make irrational choices. With AI all these issues are resolved. It would make for a much more smooth and enjoyable experience for all the players if more of the environment was scripted. Human interaction is overrated.

I would love to have a healbot, a ruptbot and meleebot on my team in RA. Not having to put up with the frikkin fail players that usually end up on my team would be nothing but a blessing. In fact I would happily let a script play my character as well. After a day's work I could assess the results and rewards, things AI might not yet be optimal at doing. I'm talking about putting on new titles to pride myself with, open the zchest for fat loot and progress in the awesome title, selling zkeys to noobs, buy tormented weapons and obsidian armor, visit the zaishen menagerie, buy some costume packs, collect awesome minipets and hang out in my cool Hall of Monument.

tl;dr - Please Anet, leave them bots alone!

So basically you're saying that PvP should be replaced by PvE......if you want to use healbots, ruptbots and meleebots, step outside kamadan with dunkoro, gwen and koss and enjoy yourself. PvP means player versus player, and bots have no place there, which is why heroes were removed from the battle isles.

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Originally Posted by papryk

I was always wondering why oh why Regina and company never reply in threads like this...

Just because they don't reply, it doesn't mean they don't read them. They have dealt with bots in the past, but it is true that their track record on this hasn't been as impressive as it should have been.

Marth Reynolds · Apr 20, 2010, 12:14 PM // 12:14

sad thing is that those bots would be very able, outshining henchman by far i bet.
( and most henchman are better then random people already >..> )

anyway, if those mo/w bots can farm balth factions all alone that's a pretty big issue. Leave pc overnight and cash in 20 zaishen keys?

i wonder if anet will even step up against this, or if they're just gonna shrug it off.

damkel · Apr 20, 2010, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by Yol

So basically you're saying that PvP should be replaced by PvE.

Pssst...over here...I don't want to embarrass you, but.. he was being sarcastic.

Yol · Apr 20, 2010, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by damkel

he was being sarcastic.

I hope so.....hard to tell sometimes considering the ridiculous cryfest from some guru posters following the removal of hero battles and heroes from pvp...

sunec · Apr 20, 2010, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by snikerz

Whats even more frightening is the fact this bot took our group to 25 wins without even breaking a sweat

So it would seem like those bots may be over the average monk you would otherwise be teamed up with in RA. Am I missing the point here?

Iuris · Apr 20, 2010, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Well, they sound better than a PvE player like me, anyway, so...

Dzjudz · Apr 20, 2010, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by sunec

So it would seem like those bots may be over the average monk you would otherwise be teamed up with in RA. Am I missing the point here?

You mean the point of having an unfair advantage over other teams who only have human monks?

Loneliness · Apr 20, 2010, 12:43 PM // 12:43

Problem is when theres two or more of them in the same team which happened last night soon there be 3-4 on the same team on regular accassions

but still these bots are better than no monk or bad players, i found it fun playing mesmer just backfire them and put cover hexes on so they cant remove it and watch um die.

Myotheraccount · Apr 20, 2010, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Scary. o.o;

Anyway, botting is evil. You can catch a keyloger or something like that and lose your account. Or get banned. D:

Shayne Hawke · Apr 20, 2010, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by snikerz

Checks for Dishonorable effect
Checks for death
Dodges Broad Head Arrow and Lightning Orb
Great movement
Attacks nearest enemy

Makes me wonder how bad bots are in Dragon Arena these days.

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Originally Posted by _azunai

i'd love to have one in my group, its a pain in the ass to get the gladiator title with all those noob monks so why complaining a script if its better then an average player?

i still dont get the point

as you said, your team got a 25 win streak so you played on and on acceppting your advantage without any risk on getting banned ?! say "thanks" to the one who used the bot o0

sup botter.

Riot Narita · Apr 20, 2010, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by snikerz

Heals self and party members
Cures self and party members
Removes hex from self and party members
Energy management
Checks for Dishonorable effect
Checks for melee impact
Checks for death
Checks for Daze,Shame,Backfire,Empathy,Diversion on self
Dodges Broad Head Arrow and Lightning Orb
Avoids knockdowns
Great movement
Attacks nearest enemy
Resigns if 2 or more party members are monks (not if you won the last round)
Gets Z-Keys every 5000 balth points
Counts win + lose + Z-Keys

With bots at that level of sophistication, I wonder what A-Net can really do about it?
Introduce captcha or somesuch before each match? I can see that happening. And for PvE too.
Stick head in sand?
Remove PVP from the game? Like Hero Battles? LOL

_azunai · Apr 20, 2010, 01:37 PM // 13:37

thx for the flowers ;P but rly whats the deal with it?
i'm personally not playing guild wars anymore i just dont get the point why you complain if you like the advantage o.0

Dzjudz · Apr 20, 2010, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Unfair advantage of one team is an unfair disadvantage of the other team.

BrettM · Apr 20, 2010, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

In fact I would happily let a script play my character as well. After a day's work I could assess the results and rewards, things AI might not yet be optimal at doing.

lmao. But if someone ever develops an e-peen AI, the next GW may become the Game that No Living Human Has Ever Played. Set up a character, hook up the AI, and go shopping for a casket and a cemetary plot.

Beta Sprite · Apr 20, 2010, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by BrettM

lmao. But if someone ever develops an e-peen AI, the next GW may become the Game that No Living Human Has Ever Played. Set up a character, hook up the AI, and go shopping for a casket and a cemetary plot.

http://progressquest.com/

cantalus · Apr 20, 2010, 02:12 PM // 14:12

the big deal is it's cheating, if you can't see that, well

also, the reason people qq'd about hero battles and TA is they enjoyed them, i didn't play them but i see no reason not to sympathise with them, i wouldn't like it if anet decided to take HA away just because some people exploited it for monetry gain

i don't understand why people want to gain things by cheating, some sort of pathetic peer group stand around together emoting?